Full Port Gate Valves? - Valve engineering - Eng-Tips

16 Jun.,2025

 

Full Port Gate Valves? - Valve engineering - Eng-Tips

I'm a piping designer with afew years of experience, I was doing a project where the engineer wanted to hot tap thur a 4" valve into a 6" line (this is hydrocarbon service). I normally like to use full port ball valves for this but the engineer indicated he want to use a gate valve to save money. I've run across this before so nothing new. As I was filling out the material requisition I had noted that we needed "full port" gate valves to do this hot tap. My boss saw this and said "ALL" gate valves are "full port" regardless, and didn't need to be indicated! ...News to me, But to be honest I really don't know! I've sent to some major valve manufactures, but they ALL seems to be too busy to answer my question. Can ANYBODY help me here!!?? THX! ...Mark Your boss may be stating an industry "truism". That is, unless otherwise stated, people in the industry assumes certain things due to regular industry "commoness".

To my experience, gate valves are usually always "full port". Gate valves are usually only used in on/off service (they are either open or closed), and a full port gives the least pressure lost.

In the case of a slab gate (through conduit?), I suppose you can have a hole that is not "full port", although I don't know why one would do that, and I haven't seen one.

In my opionion, it doesn't hurt to state full port gate.

Many "oldtimeers" sort of "sneer" at this as something an inexperienced person does. I don't share that opinion. There are lots of people in my industry now that could benefit from having the obvious stated.

"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."
Albert Einstein
Have you read FAQ731-376 to make the best use of Eng-Tips Forums? Mark-

My experience agrees with Hench's. I'd suggest looking at some valve catalogs such as one from Edward Vogt at . Print out the dimension sheet for CL-150 gate valves (page 5 of the .pdf) and toss it on your boss' desk. Ask him what exactly dimension D, the seat diameter, means. For a 4" valve it's listed as 2.75" which I suspect does not fall into his definition of "full port". What I've seen in my industry (petroleum refining) is that larger valves tend to be full port while smaller valves tend to be reduced port. For a hot tap, it's best to just be sure and specify "full port".

jt Hench, jte,

You are correct. I took a look at Flowserve's documents, and they do reference conventional AND full port.

I have talked to my colleagues, and they, as myself, are surprised by this. We are currently looking into it more. This is great - I will learn another new thing today.

"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."
Albert Einstein
Have you read FAQ731-376 to make the best use of Eng-Tips Forums? Well... I am chalking this up to one of those regional industry truisms.

Evidently, I (and 11echo's boss I guess) come from an area/industry where we only use full port gate valves, even though evidently, reduced port is more commonly used elsewhere.

I called Flowserve USA, and they confirm that they sell a whole bunch of conventional port gate valves into the oil and gas industry.

I will have to be more diligent in the future when I fill out my gate valve datasheets.

Thanks to Hench and jte. It is greatly appreciated. Stars to you guys.

"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."
Albert Einstein
Have you read FAQ731-376 to make the best use of Eng-Tips Forums? I want to thank ALL participating authors here. I in deed marched into my boss office and "showed" him a copy of these data sheets! ...He hmmm'd and haaa'd abit but finally bowed to my newly found knowledge. Only thing that would have made it better if he was an a$$, but normally he's a nice guy, so didn't want to "rub it in" too much! *G*
THX for the brownie points!!! ...Mark
Maybe someone will add some discussion here as to why some gates are standard and other full.
Seems to me that probably they both have same bodies whether cast or forged, same bonnets, stems, packing ... whatever.

Also, are ports same size among all manufactured brands as per API, ASME standards?

I can see that full would have slightly enlarged bore, but am not sure if the pre-machined disc blank could not be the same part for both port types.

So, what is the basic advantage of buying standard rather than full port valve? Can whatever cost savings for standard ports be really significant?

Another question:
Please compare the Classes such as 150, 300, 600, 800, 900, , , as opposed to ANSI Classes such as , , and . (Of course, pressures would be temperature dependant for any material) but what engendered such oddly numbered classes? They do not seem to have an evenly numbered metric correlation. So, is it some historical consideration associated with a particular industry? shopper,

Refer to the following standards for the minimum port openings allowed:

For valves manufactured to API 600 (generally cast valves, flanged and butt-weld, like is made by Crane Valve)
API 600, Sect. 5.3.3.1, Table 4, Minimum Port Diameters.

For valves manufactured to ANSI/API 602 (generally small forged valves, threaded, socket-weld and flanged, like is made by Vogt)
ANSI/API 602, Sect. 5.2, Table 1, Minimum Diameter of Equivalent Flow Passageway.

Generally, for forged valves per API 602, a standard port is a reduced port. As well as system block valves, these valves also include vents, drains and instrument connections. As far as system block valves are concerned, they are usually 2" and below for forged and for pipe sizes this small, pressure drop is usually not a problem. And yes, cost is a big factor; a forged full port valve body is the body for the next valve size up. The valve weight and cost can be double or triple.

For cast valves per API 600, the minimum port allowed is considered to be full port.

Note that 'full port' really means 'considered as full port for flow calculations'. Full port does not mean full size un-obstructed bore. Although the minimum bores are established in the standards noted above, the actual bore diameter will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer.

If you need a straight through bore of a certain diameter (for hot-tapping for example) you need to be specific about that in your purchase specifications and verify that on your approval and certified drawings. Don't trust catalog info, some major valve companies contract with valve manufacturers all over the world so the valve you get might not match the one shown in the catalog but it should meet all of the standards and specifications.

I hope this helps


NozzleTwister
Houston, Texas .... While I have over 25 years in the valve distribution industry, I would never consider myself an expert. My experience is that even when a manufacturer presents the valve as "full port" it may not be suitable for hot-tap applications. In the wedge style gate valve, the seat rings are angled to match the wedge disc. While the outside edge of the seat ring may match the "full bore" of the valve body, the lower inside mating surface of the seat is may protrude into the flow path. Using a full bore tap will damage this lower portion of the seat ring, and compromise the sealing surface between the wedge and seat.
That is not much of a technical description, but I hope you get the picture. I have also seen valves with a screwed-in seat ring, with lugs protruding into the bore. When in doubt, insist the valves be examined by a reputable valve service facility - this precaution up front will save a lot of headaches later.

A Complete Guide to Gate Valves - RS Components

Gate valves are a common linear valve type found in pipelines, both above and below ground. A gate valve is designed to start and stop the flow of liquid through ducting, allowing users to isolate a section of pipe when required. They are often called water gate valves or sluice valves.

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When people ask what is a gate valve, they will often have follow-up requests for more information on what gate valves look like, what parts they include, the differences between various types, and exactly how they work. We will cover all of these areas in the various sections of this guide.

Gate valves usually consist of the valve body itself, which is installed in-line (through-conduit) on a length of pipe, and an attached handwheel actuator used for opening and closing the valve. This multi-turn wheel assembly most often extends above or to the side of the pipe and valve, attached to a bonnet assembly via a stem. It can be turned in one direction to open the valve, and in the opposite direction to close it.

The advantages of a gate valve are that they provide complete shut-off of any water flow for troubleshooting, maintenance and pipe-cleaning tasks. They are also bidirectional, meaning they can be used to block flow in both upstream and downstream directions, and they do not cause significant pressure loss in operation.

Limitations of gate valves in certain scenarios may include the fact that they are not especially quick to open or close. Additionally, they are not designed to throttle or control flow by being partially opened or shut.

This guide is designed to explain in more detail what gate valves are, what they are used for, how they work, and the different types of UK gate valves available to buy online. We will also briefly outline how to use them, as well as providing some clear and concise answers to common questions about gate valves. By the end of the guide, readers will be familiar with what sluice valves are, how they work, and why they are used.

Most types of gate valve can be thought of simply as a sluice valve or control valve for water supply. Gate valves are used for starting or stopping the flow of liquid (or steam/gas) through a section of pipeline, allowing that section to be completely shut off and isolated when necessary.

They are among the most common sorts of valves and taps you will find in most pipeline applications, and are used in a wide range of industrial settings. These might typically include:

  • Oil and gas extraction
  • Processing plants and water treatment facilities
  • Various types of factories and production environments
  • Medical and laboratory uses
  • Food production and catering
  • Automotive and mechanical
  • Marine and offshore uses

Certain types of gate valves are often suitable choices for both high pressure and high temperature applications. Although quite a simple sort of valve in principle, they are highly effective when used in the right circumstances. Being fire-safe also means they are a suitable choice for high pressure-temperature scenarios.

Unlike some other types of shutoff valves (such as globe valves), a gate valve is only intended to be used in its fully open or fully closed state. Leaving it in a partially raised or lowered position will not have much effect on controlling the flow rate of the medium in the pipe, and may risk moving or damaging the valve due to excessive vibration.

Another common type of isolation valve is a ball valve, which is somewhat different from a gate valve in terms of its physical construction. However, both will achieve a similar effect in the sense that they will completely block the flow of water through a duct when fully closed. There are numerous key factors involved in deciding between a ball valve vs. a gate valve for a given pipeline application or industrial setting. These will normally include the sorts of environmental conditions they are being used in, and the properties of the medium where they are controlling the flow.

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Gate valves should also be distinguished from check valves, another familiar pipeline device used to control directional flow, and butterfly valves. The main difference between check valves and gate valves is that the former is designed to prevent backflow; they allow unhindered flow in one direction while blocking it in the opposite direction. By contrast, gate valves are bidirectional, and will completely shut off the flow of fluid, vapour or gas in both directions when in a closed position.

butterfly valve is a variation of a gate or isolation valve. They usually require just a quarter-turn of the valve actuator handle to open or close. The gate itself sits either parallel or perpendicular to the flow direction inside the pipe, depending on the position of the actuation device relative to the valve body. They are generally less suitable than gate valves in situations where achieving a very tight seal is critical, but some versions can be used to throttle.

The two main types of gate valves are wedge-shaped and parallel. Wedge-shaped gate valves (including solid taper wedge, flexible wedge and split wedge designs) use two inclined seats and an inclined gate or barrier, which is intentionally slightly misaligned with the seats. This tends to achieve a tighter seal than a parallel version in certain applications. Parallel gate valves, sometimes called parallel disks, double disks or parallel slide gate valves, have a flat gate or barrier held perpendicular to the flow of liquid between two parallel seats.

There are various sorts of gate valves used in numerous applications across a wide range of pipeline and workplace types. Below, we have listed some of the most popular types of gate valves on sale in the UK and elsewhere, with a brief description of each kind.

Wedge Gate Valves

A wedge gate valve is one of the more common types you will find in widespread use across all relevant plumbing and industrial pipeline setups. Subtypes include the solid wedge, the flexible wedge, and the split wedge.

Solid wedge gate valves (or plain wedge valves) tend to be the most widely used. They are often among the simplest and cheapest options but offer good mechanical strength. They are broadly suitable for nearly all types of fluid media. Their robust, single-piece construction makes them especially appropriate for use in pipelines with turbulent fluid flow.

In wedge valves, the barrier or gate is slightly inclined against the flow path of pressurised liquid in the pipe. For this reason, they are also referred to as tapered gates. This angle creates a wedging force as the valve closes, and helps to make for a more reliable seal at higher fluid pressure ratings.

Split Gate Valves

A split gate valve, or split wedge gate valve, is a type of wedge valve in which the wedge disk itself is made from two solid pieces, held in place by a spacer or spring. This gives it the ability to self-adjust to the seats, providing added flexibility and making it easier to achieve a tighter seal with less risk of sticking or binding. They are particularly suitable for use with non-condensing gases and corrosive liquids.

Parallel Gate Valves

A parallel gate valve (sometimes called a parallel disk gate valve, or parallel slide gate valve) operates in much the same way as a wedge gate valve, but the gate features two disks placed at a 90-degree angle to the fluid flow direction. They are generally seen as safer in high temperature applications, where the parallel design is less likely to result in thermal binding.

Knife Gate Valves

A knife gate valve is a well-known type that is designed primarily for use with very thick or viscous fluids, such as slurry or powder-carrying liquid. The disks in the knife gate valve model are tapered (effectively sharpened, hence knife valves) at one end to enable them to cut and move through thicker media more easily when closing.

Flanged Gate Valves

A flanged gate valve is one where the body of the valve is flanged and bolted to the bonnet (the part on top of the valve through which the handwheel assembly connects, and which gives access to the moving parts of the valve). This tends to make them better suited to higher pressure applications than screwed connections, but less ideal than specialist pressure sealing models.

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